A Little More Conversation…

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Elvis was wrong when he sang, “A little less conversation, a lot more action…”

Well, at least in the world of writers. I know what you are thinking…not another blog on writing sex. Seriously, who doesn’t like that hot button topic? But this isn’t about sex or writing an action/adventure novel.

It’s about networking.

As in using your mouth to get further your career.

Now, I KNOW writers have to face that blank page (or screen) all by their lonesome. Let’s face it, writing can be a lonely profession with no one to keep us company but our characters or the family cat. In fact, today as the kids run rampant through the house demanding food and arguing over the Wii remote, I’d trade the peanut butter cookies I just baked for blessed silence. But there are times when a writer has to rip his/her bottom from the chair and venture into the world to talk about their writing.

And for many people that’s a scary thing.

But, it’s necessary if you want to further your career.

I do believe that this is foremost on my mind because my local chapter is heading into our annual conference. Our local conference takes place in March. It’s a really good one. Not too big, not too small, good ratio of editors/agents to writers, and topics that really interest me. I love the workshops, the raffle baskets, seeing old friends, eating good food, and talking about what’s selling and what’s not. But what I really love best is the opportunity to make a connection that might lead to me selling my manuscript.

Of course, this actually happened to me. I met my editor at Nationals through a casual conversation, she accepted an invitation to our local conference, someone canceled a pitch with her, I filled the slot for fun, and two years later, I’m one of her authors. Casual conversation = Sale! So, yes, it can happen.

So, as we prepare to launch into a new year, let me encourage you to go to a conference or workshop even if it means stepping outside your comfort zone. And if you do, here are a few of my very own conference tips. I can’t promise they’ll work, but you can try them:

1. Dress to succeed. Yes, I’m telling you to do it. Go buy a new outfit. Tell your husband/boyfriend/accountant that it’s my fault. You need a new blouse and shoes and some kick ass pants that make you look thinner. If you feel like you look good, you exude confidence. Editors and agents love a confident writer.

2. Be Friendly. Sure, ask if you can sit with someone you don’t know. Then sit down and talk to her/him. Ask about what they write, what they like to read, where they live, and where they scored that cute little jacket. Sometimes you have to force your cheerfulness because your feet hurt from your new shoes. Do it anyway.

3. One glass of wine is enough. Does this need further explanation? Do you really want her to say, “I’d love to sign you but everyone already knows about your book since you recited the first chapter, naked, while standing in the hotel foundation”? I didn’t think so.

4. Always Pitch. Even if your book is not ready. Tell the editor/agent about what you write and then ask her questions about what she likes to see in writing. You may not net a request, but you have made a contact that might come in handy later.

5. Don’t stalk an editor or agent. And don’t occupy all of her time preventing others from chatting with her. You don’t want to give the ol’ Fatal Attraction vibe off. Boiled rabbit aside, no one likes too much crazy.

6. Be helpful. Every frantic contest coordinator likes a helping hand. And you get to benefit by making yet another important contact. And I’m a firm believer in that karma junk. What comes around, goes around.

7. Get your beauty sleep. Nothing can wear you down like being “on” 24-7. Go to bed at a reasonable hour. Get up early and go to the hotel gym. (Hint: many editors and agents like to work out) And nothing helps a pitch or presentation like endorphins in your corner.

8. Pace yourself. You don’t have to attend every workshop offered. Sometimes the best thing you can do is play hookie and chat with the other attendees who are doing the same.

9. Support the chapter. Buy a few raffle tickets. Attend the booksigning. Play nice.

10Send thank you notes. If the conference was awesome, tell the conference chair in a nice note. Better yet, tell everyone you know and tell them they ought to go to the next one. Nothing is better than a good conference or workshop. And nothing is better than sharing that fact.

So, there you have it. You like the first one, right? New shoes? I thought so. Now all you have to do is pick the right conference and make a lot of conversation. I’d be glad to have you at ours this spring, and I’m sure the other sisters can point you to good conferences that they’ve attended. And let’s hear more tips on attending conferences. Or really good conference stories. I’m all ears!

Comments

Joan Swan says:

Great pointers, Liz. I’ll be using them in Nashville this year!

Liz Talley says:

Oh, good! Someone’s listening to me? After having the kids for a four day weekend, it feels good to have someone say, “Thanks, I’ll do that.” So not the responses I’ve had for this holiday :)

I hope they work and you have a great conference!

Vivi Andrews says:

I love conferences – especially the smaller regional ones. There is such a sense of camaraderie with all the other booklovers – writers, editors & agents alike.

I’ve heard good things about the Louisiana conference, Liz. I’ll have to get there one of these years. :)

Liz Talley says:

Yeah, the face time you get with editors and agents is invaluable. I alwasy feel that at Nationals they have too much on their plates to spend a lot of time with people who are not their clients/writers or others of the publishing industry. They go for their own reasons. But at local conferences, they are there for the chapter…and to maybe find the next best thing.

And, yes, we do have a great conference with a cap at 125 – it stays small and intimate.

Elisa Beatty says:

That’s really useful to hear… The only conference I’ve been to was last year’s Nationals, and (while really fun) it was too much of a mob scene for me to feel effective networking.

I’ll have to keep an eye out for something more local. Wish Louisana were closer!!

Liz Talley says:

Me, too! I’d love to have you down!

But, yes, look for one that’s close, grab a friend, and make some connections!

Diana Layne says:

I am one of the most introverted people ever, but I love conferences because of the innate sense of connection. Plus, for a conversation starter, all you have to do when you sit with a table full of strangers is ask, “what do you write?”

Liz Talley says:

Exactly.

And other writers are important industry connections too. They are the people who will support you, promote you, give you cover blurbs or just give you a hug when the rejections get crushing.

Darynda Jones says:

No stalking??? Man. And here I thought this year was going to be interesting.

Great post, Liz!!!
~D~

Liz Talley says:

I didn’t say we couldn’t nab them, tie them to a chair, and force them to listen to our pitches. Just no stalking. Gotta be aggressive. :)

Kim Law says:

Hey now, don’t be telling our secrets! :)

Wonderful advice, Amy! I’m pretty shy and the pitching and casual conversation is the hardest part for me. But for some reason, being around all those other wonderful writers at conferences makes it easier. I love the smaller ones too. Hoping to see you in March! :)

Liz Talley says:

Yay! I can’t wait to see you. I’m pretty gregarious by nature, but I have to say that my chapter is the nice bunch of folks. I’ve never felt so welcome or nutured.

And just remember, there are probaby at least half the people attending who feel the same way.

Just how much crazy is too crazy? Seriously, I’m no good at networking. My ice breaker at Nationals was being a GH finalist…people would talk to me and assume I was eccentric, not crazy. And Vivi made me meet people. My other ice breaker was “What do you write?” Which can backfire when they respond with, “Male on Male erotic time travel bondage in space.” Not that there’s anything wrong with that. My third ice breaker was “And how do you research that?”

Liz Talley says:

LOL! Well, at least it’s an interesting conversation!

I guess it is a loaded question.

Tamara Hogan says:

What a great post, Liz, and very good timing. Can you believe that registration for 2010 RWA National opens on Feb. 1? Already?

In addition to some chronic health conditions that require monitoring, I find crowds and noise to be very, very draining – so if I’m going to have a productive, enjoyable conference, self-care is an absolute priority. I’ve learned the hard way to factor in a couple of decompression breaks each day. Maybe I’ll go to my room and lie down, or find an out-of-the-way chair, pop on my iPod, and block out the world for fifteen minutes or so.

I won’t go so far as to work out at a conference – you go, girl! – but I DO keep to my daily writing schedule so I don’t lose a week of productivity while I’m there. I set my alarm for 6:00, go to the hotel restaurant, treat myself to breakfast, then write for a couple of hours while I linger over a pot of coffee. Finish around 8:00, shower, dress, and hit the opening session, caffeinated and feeling virtuous!

My goal for National is to talk with a lot of people I don’t know. I hope my “First Sale” ribbon breaks the ice!

I must admit I’ve already bought some new shoes.

Elisa Beatty says:

Congrats on that First Sale ribbon!!! Awesome!!

And, no, I can’t believe it’s already time to sign back up for Nationals…. and March 25 will be here before we know it, too.

Eeeeeep!!!!

Liz Talley says:

Finding time for yourself is absolutely essential. Especially for Nationals. This past Nationals I spent less time in workshops and more time doing social stuff. At first I felt guilty, but then realized that enjoying my experience is important.

And that’s another reason while I always balance Nationals with a local conference. They are both great opportunities, but move at a different speed.

Elisa Beatty says:

Thanks for the advice, Amy… I still haven’t made contact with my local chapter (out of a combination of being very new to the business, plus crazy busy, plus shy, plus trying to keep a lid on how much I’m spending on everything writing-related), but this may be the kick in the pants I needed.

Elise Hayes says:

Oh, do contact your local chapter, Elisa! I only get to attend two or three of the monthly meetings each year, but at my first chapter meeting, many many years ago, I happened to sit down to another first-timer. We had lunch together, saw each other at one or two other sessions that year (also had lunch), and eventually–and very tentatively–decided to exchange our work. We’ve been critique partners ever since and she’s now one of my closest friends.

Between work and family, I can’t get to the monthly meetings often, but I make a point of making it to the local annual conference/retreat because that’s where I’ve really gotten to know people (it’s a bit like a three-day slumber party. what’s not to like?). The first year, I really only knew my critique partner. The second year, I knew about two more people (I’m shy, so it was a slow growing curve). But each year I meet a few more folks–and it’s grown into an incredible support system over the years.

I don’t think I’d be anywhere near the writer I am today without these people. I’ve learned so much about the craft and the industry through these chapter friends–and I’ve had the joy of helping them through their writing journeys, as well. So join! It won’t be terribly comfortable at first (especially if you’re on the shy side, like me), but if you put in that initial effort, the rewards are well worth it.

Liz Talley says:

Ditto!

Elise Hayes says:

I *love* my local chapter’s annual retreat. It’s small enough that I’m genuinely comfortable plopping myself down next to someone I don’t know and introducing myself–assuming that they’re a fellow writer, that is.

I’m not very good at talking to editors/agents–shyness overwhelms me and I can’t think of a thing to say–but my critique partner is amazingly good at small talk, so I’ve gotten to ride her coattails through a number of conversations. Whew! And maybe someday I’ll be grown up enough to handle my own conversation :)

I like how Liz offered a few opening gambits for conversations. Maybe this blog could help generate a longer list of questions that are good conversation starter/fillers for if some of us happen to sit next to an editor/agent at lunch? I am dorky enough to memorize questions ahead of time, in case I need them…Anyone got suggestions?

Liz Talley says:

Well, first off. They are people too. Their toilets overflow, their kids barf on the new couch…you get where I’m going with this.

I always start with where they live. I ask them to talk about it. Apartment in NY? How I’ve never been to NY. Where would they suggest staying if I go…etc. Then I talk about where I lived. “I’ve never been to NYC, but I love the city. Only city I’ve lived in is New Orleans…” People love to talk about where they’ve visited and where they ate while they were there. So that’s my favorite ice breaker.

But I talk clothes, food, wine, what genres are selling, etc. I’ll admit I got my skills in rush. I could talk to a brick wall.

But these inane conversations make a difference. In fact, I got a Christmas card from my editor. She wrote, “Who would have thought that a conversation over the dress you stole would have led to our partnership?” Yeah. I stole a dress (on accident). That’s the first conversation I had with my editor. I forgot about the conversation. She didn’t.

Elise Hayes says:

A stolen dress? Oh, come on, you can’t just drop that line and not tell us more!

Liz Talley says:

I’m a writer for good reason. That’s my hook. I knew someone would ask.

I bought three dresses on clearance in Baton Rouge. For some reason the sales lady rang up the two outer dresses and not the middle one. I didn’t realize until I got back home to Shreveport and looked at the tag.

I guess I could have taken it back but it was four hours away. I’m just not that good. And it was on sale 75% off. So I kept it. And wore it to the GH/Rita awards in 2007. The stolen dress still hangs in my closet. It’s the prettiest one I have.

Judy Burford says:

Local conferences, like our NOLA STARS Conference in Shreveport, LA, March 5 & 6, are wonderful ways to meet other writers and to get your work the notice it needs. At our conference, not only will we have great opportunities to meet face to face with editors & agents, but our Silent Auction will give conferees the chance to win a critique of their work by some very accomplished people for bargain prices. Sometimes these Silent Auction critiques result in requests for a full by agents or editors! So — check us out at NOLASTARs.com and come to Shreveport.

Liz Talley says:

Can y’all tell I sent the link to my local chapter?

Thanks, Judy. I’m getting one of those critiques!

Tamara Hogan says:

Bob Mayer recently wrote about maximizing your time and investment in a writer’s conference at http://www.Genreality.net.

Part 1: http://www.genreality.net/maximizing-a-writers-conference

“Attendees sweat over their ten-minute pitches to editors and agents, but don’t focus on craft workshops. They’ll sit in their room in the evening agonizing over their pitch, instead of socializing and networking. Ever hear of the cart before the horse?”
(Youch. Reality check!)

Part 2: http://www.genreality.net/maximizing-writers-conference-part-ii

“An agent/editor appointment is a chance for one-on-one face time. It’s a two-way thing. You don’t have to ‘pitch’ your book, you can get feedback, which is more valuable, if you ask questions instead.

What you are trying to do is communicate your enthusiasm for the book—through the material. There was something about your idea that excited you so much you wrote 100,000 words. You’re looking to communicate that.”

Good stuff.

Liz Talley says:

yep. That’s why I put pitch something even if you don’t have it absolutely ready. It’s an opportunity for you to find out about what that editor/agent is looking for, what she sees for the future, etc. YOU can ask questions. What is she looking for? What catches her attention? etc.

And, yeah, if it freaks you out to talk about your book or writing that much. Don’t do it.

I wish Bob’s “Part 2″ were always true, but not all agents and editors are happy to have appointments taken up by anything other than a classic cold pitch. Some will get downright angry with you for “wasting their time.”

So be prepared for the possibility of awkwardness, at least, if you aren’t pitching a new project, or if you want to discuss a full they requested but to which they haven’t yet responded. If you want to talk about a project they’ve already rejected, I imagine that wouldn’t go over very well, either. Even the most laid-back editor or agent probably doesn’t want to talk to an author about why they rejected something.

Liz Talley says:

Yes, this is true. Bringing out the manuscript they rejected and plopping it onto the table is probably not the wisest of ideas.

Also, you should have something that you are working on that you can talk about. Don’t take up an appointment if you absolutely have nothing. You can talk to them at the bar about what they see for the future of publishing. But if you are writing, you’ve got to be able to take a risk and pitch your book even if you know “frumpy librarian turned sex goddess” is not selling.

Tamara Hogan says:

I pitched for the very first time at 2009 National – talk about performance anxiety! The agent I pitched to opened up the conversation with, “How would you like to use our time today?” She put me at ease immediately. ;-)

Sounds ideal!

You and I definitely did not pitch to the same agent.

The experience to which I refer obviously (thankfully) isn’t common, but I promise you that it’s real, I didn’t blow anything out of context, and I’d hate to see it happen to one of my friends.

Choose your own path, but my advice remains: don’t walk into a pitch appointment unless you have something new to pitch. Not chat. PITCH. Sure, you’re likely to get the easy-going agent who’s happy to shoot the breeze for fifteen minutes, but you might get the one who’s had a rough morning/conference/year and is really scrambling to sign new talent. To her, the “chatter pitch” is a waste of valuable time, and she might not hesitate to let you know it.

Winnie says:

Great tips, Liz. And I so agree about the value of attending writers’ conferences and workshops. Not only does it re-energize me and get my creative juices flowing again, but the networking opportunities are invaluable for both the pubblished and unpublished writer.

Liz Talley says:

I always come home ready to write. Just the focus on the writing makes me better focused and ready to make my ms better. And that’s for all levels of writers – newbie to Nora.

These are great suggestions, Liz.

I heartily second the recommendation to volunteer, especially if you don’t know many people who are attending the event. There’s no opportunity to feel out-of-place if you have a job to do, and more often than not, volunteering gets you personal contact with the speakers or guests.

Liz Talley says:

It’s great that they provide these opportunities at Nationals.

But I’m sure no local chapter would say no if you volunteered to put handouts on the chairs or gave the editor/agent person a bathroom break.

Opportunity and service. Man, those are two really good things.

Lenora says:

NOLA puts on a wonderful conference. Just talked to a good friend–Julia Justiss–who writes for Harlequin HIstoricals. She’s coming and I’m going to room with her. Y’all come. I got a five book idea one year at the NOLA conference and I just finished the first draft on book number five (for Love Inspired Suspense). I’ve contracted for all of those ideas. So you never know what will happen at a conference. Oh, and wear fabulous shoes, too.

Liz Talley says:

This coming from a woman who’s sold a lot of books. I remember your telling me that the idea for the five book deal came out of brainstorming at the NOLA conference.

See, sitting down and talking works!

And I’m so glad to see Julia Justiss is coming. I do love her historicals and I missed her last time.

Lenora should have been a ruby slippered sister. The woman has a mean shoe fetish!

Kim Law says:

Great list!

I hate networking.

I fully believe I rate up there with the world’s worst at it. It upsets my stomach, makes me want to hide in my hotel room for the entire length of the conference, and (almost) makes me wish I hadn’t gone to the conference in the first place.

And those conversation openers???? Yeah, I stink at those too. I try them…I firmly believe they are good ideas, but I’m just so bad at carrying on after that, it doesn’t get me very far. I’m hopeful one day it’ll get me farther than a couple one word answers and then end of conversation :)

Here’s what I want to know, though. The couple of regional conferences I’ve been to, I CAN’T FIND THE AGENTS/EDITORS outside the pitch appointments. I check the bar and the seating areas, and rarely can one be spotted. If I do spot one, they are always in the middle of a conversation with one or more people, looking like serious business, not inane chit-chat is taking place. So how do I catch me one of these elusive creatures?

And don’t tell me to catch them at lunch and sit by them unless you tell me the secret to catching them there. Again, they are either surrounded already or not there when I show up. Should I lurk about and then make a run for them as soon as one walks through the doors :)

Kim, I feel for ya.

Next time you’re at an event, mention to your agented and published friends that you’d love if it they could point their agent/editor out to you. Knowing what they look like is half the battle, and more often than not, your friend will drag you (hyperventilating though you may be) to the editor/agent for an introduction.

Then, of course, you have to have a conversation with said industry professional. I think it’s best to get them talking about themselves. That way you have something personal to mention in your next query letter!

Kim Law says:

Heck, even when I DO know what they look like I can’t seem to find them. But I could make my published friends help me out, I suppose – assuming I can find them :)

Elise Hayes says:

At my second regional conference, I had promised myself I was going to be better at meeting people. So between sessions, I was taking a stroll outside in the gardens for a little fresh air. I saw a woman who looked fairly young (maybe in her late 20s) standing by herself, enjoying the view of the valley below. Thinking she was a newbie writer at the conference, and wanting her to feel more at ease/welcome (hey, it helped me be bolder when I thought I was helping someone else who was shy get through the conference) I went up and started chatting with her (”Is this your first conference with us?” It was. “How’s it going? Are you enjoying the sessions?”). We chatted for three or four minutes before I realized she was actually one of the agents. Er…and one of the big-name agents. I got absolutely tongue-tied and made a few comments about the weather before running and hiding. So they are around, but sometimes a little off the beaten path :)

Liz Talley says:

Don’t y’all watch The Bachelor? You gotta get in there and break them up for your one on one time! LOL

Seriously, I do keep an eye on where the ones I want to speak to are and I make a point to try and create opportunity to chat.

Also, at our conference there are two receptions and one luncheon. With only around 100 people present, it’s pretty easy to find some time to chat with one or two. I always volunteer to pick them up at the airport. Last time I left the liftgate ajar and drove for about half a mile before realizing it. Luckily none of their luggage fell out. You can’t screw up anymore than that. :)

Kim Law says:

Yeah, if our chapter had a conference, I would definitely volunteer to pick them up, etc. I can do that fine.

Never thought of the Bachelor way to do it though :) Hmmm…you think if I walked over and asked if I could steal them a minute, the other people would leave and the agent/editor would come with me just like that? haha! That would be cool!

Liz Talley says:

Yeah, but then the other conference attendees would bash you. “Can you believe her?!? She just barged into my conversation and stole agent away!!! OMG!”

Great advice! I am super duper shy, so it’s very hard to put myself out there. But, I’m trying to get over it. :) I’ve also heard that local conferences can be a better place to network than nationals. I had hoped to make my “local” (3 1/2 hrs away) conference this April, but unfortunately my finances are just not cooperating. LOL.

Liz Talley says:

That stinks because local conferences are usually more economical, especially if you can share a room with someone.

And IMO they afford more opportunity to make the connections to get your toe in the door.

Maybe it will work out for you next year. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

Gwynlyn MacKenzie says:

Excellent advice, doll. I can’t count the number of wonderful people I’ve met through conferences, but can say those I met at smaller venues tend to remember me when next we meet. Nationals can be too overwhelming for solid connections, yet it happens and when it does, it’s wonderful.

Liz Talley says:

True. Very true.

Nationals is in itself such an event. I like them both and I’ve made great contacts and friends at both. They are just a different beast.

Shea Berkley says:

Sorry I’m late to the party. I’m a great believer in just chatting. Get to know the person you’re with and show real interest. You never know who you’re sitting next to.

At Nationals in DC, I sat next to a woman in the lobby while I was waiting for some friends. We hit it off really well and she couldn’t have been nicer. She left just as my friend found me, and my friend gushed, “Oh my gosh, I didn’t know you knew Debbie Macomber.”

I had no idea who I was talking to. But I enjoyed the conversation. And I’m more apt to buy a Debbie Macomber book now. That’s the real point of networking. Enjoying life.

Laurie Kellogg says:

Sorry I couldn’t get here yesterday. It was a great blog!

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